Tag Archives: Blakes 7 Liberator Scale

My final work on Blakes Liberator and Federation Civil Administration Prison Ship London, I think so anyway.
The final scales I think works based on my own scale testing, not only using images from each episode of the ship, but also based on set and character situations, by no means definitive but a workable guide, I got a lot of help with Simon Atkinson recent restoration of the original model who also built it for the show.

The background image is by artist Tim Pyle, who creates many awesome images depicting NASA/JPL/Caltech discovery’s or conjectures

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In recent weeks I have been working on the Liberator from Blake’s7 and this has been commented on, thank you, Ed Diment, for your comment, I was away on holidays and could not make a more detailed and considered response.

but I also like to check as many sources as I can when I look at a ship design scale, like Star Trek original USS Enterprise, the Battlestar Galactica and Blakes7 Liberator and there are a number of sources available to me now that where not there before, but as with most if not all sci-fi designs they don’t always work, and we all have our views and imagined preferences, the internet allows us to share and to agree or disagree which is perfectly understandable.

Commenter Ed Diment suggests a scale of 450m and he suggests a number of sources so for a complete look I have scaled the Liberator accordingly too 4 different lengths.

1000m/3280.84ft
780m/2559.055ft
450m/1476.378ft
304.8/1000ft

The last scale length is by model maker Martin Bower who detailed the model, though he did not build it, it was designed by Roger Murray-Leach though is also credited as the designer is Ian Scoones, but from what I have read its Murray-Leach.

The scale of 1000m was given to me by another fan who said it was suggested by Martin Bower who detailed the model over 4 days, this was in a unnamed magizine, so I thought that it would be in either Starlog or Starburst sci-fi magazine late 70s early 80s when Blakes7 was still in production.

I found it and it was not 1000m long but 1000ft/304.8m long according to Martin Bower STARBURST issue 34 from 1981 found on archive.org, here are the pages in question.

Now I find this scale does not work for me at all. so like the classic USS Enterprise 947ft I am going to say, does not work for me. next is 450ft for the Liberator, and it does work far better than 304.8m but again I am going to say, it’s not for me, not wrong just not for me. I still favour a 700m to 780m length.

The London Civil Administration Ship works best at 55m long, in terms of internal and external arrangement as I explored it a few years ago, smaller scale it becomes more difficult

Blake’s 7: Liberator Scale Question

Its all a matter of Scale


Recently I have returned to an old design favourite, the Liberator DSV or Deep Space Vessel design from the classic BBC TV series Blake’s 7 from 1978. There is, like most TV shows that features space-ships designs, there is a question of scale.

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BBC

The question was asked on a Facebook group for Blakes’7, so I decided to see if I could work it out for the fun of it, and see what the results could be, again this is all conjecture and its open to debate if its right or not.

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BBC

The early guess work and fan imaginations was that the Liberator would be between 300 meters or 1000 meters long,  I liked it at the lower end more around 300 meters.

USS ENTERPRISE PORTSIDE

Model by Gerard Duffy

Too help me in this I am also using my own Lightwave3D model of the USS ENTERPRISE NCC – 1701 which I built to scale, the  USS Enterprise is around 288 meters or 947 ft long  (personally I think it should be larger by another 40 meters or so but I will stay on track with this)..

London inner hatch 3 meters overall length 55

This model of the London is by Cyberia23

Also I am using the Civil Administration ship London seen in the first 3 episodes as a reference, it has the one feature too help us, as you see it has an extendible tube to transfer crew from one ship to another, and crewmen along side, if we say the crewmen are 6ft, its a start. I used a poser character and scale it to 6ft or 1.8288 meters.
 

Models by Gerard Duffy

Models by Gerard Duffy

So I set the scale of the Liberator too 300 meters first and was happy with the result, (ignore the windows scale on the Liberator, they were added by me in an attempt to update the look of the design) but as someone pointed out, the Prison-Ship London should be taken into account.

How big is the London, well after a time a friend had converted Cyberia23 Model of the Civil Administration ship London by Cyberia23 to Lightwave3d and seeing what I was doing, sent me the file too help, saving me the trouble of converting it myself.

London

Model of the Civil Administration ship London by BBC

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Model of the Civil Administration ship London by Cyberia23
Using the 6ft crewman and a little working out I arrived to the scale of 55 meters long and possibly 4 levels tall, some people did not like the result, but its what I got.

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Sub-commander Raiker’s deadly end

After a little time I found the scale that worked was 780 meters long or 2559.06 ft, which I think is maximum for the Liberator it could be shorter… perhaps 700 meters but I cannot see it reduces more.
Liberator 780 m  London 55m Enterprise 288m BOW
Front View
Liberator 780 m  London 55m Enterprise 288m AFT
Aft View
Liberator 780 m  London 55m Enterprise 288m side
Side View
Liberator 780 m  London 55m Enterprise 288m Side close
 Side Close up
Liberator 780 m  London 55m Enterprise 288m lowpro
Liberator 780 m  London 55m Enterprise 288m lowpro1
Liberator 780 m  London 55m Enterprise 288m pro1
Liberator 780 m  London 55m Enterprise 288m pro2
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Liberator 780 m  London 55m Enterprise 288m pro4 art
Liberator 780 m  London 55m Enterprise 288m pro5

This is the results I got, it is much larger than I expected. but its is conjecture and could be off by quite a lot.

Currently I am rebuilding the Liberator, a welcome break after the Nautilus, London Mesh build credit to Cyberia23

Top 10 Capital Starship Designs

My Top 10 Capital Ship’s


What are my top designs ?

This is something I have asked and been asked a number of times, my answer has always been conditional, “I have to place them into difference classes, capital ships, fighter ship and freighter ships and so on”. I will share what my top 10 designs are and I have picked the designs based on how they look, how versatile they are so some designs that I like just did not make it into my top 10 designs. I won’t say what ones they are, some mystery in life is good for you. 🙂

I will also be using film or TV screen-caps where possible, instead of using fan made designs

These are my choice’s of capital ship designs that have Long Range abilities and that can transport a large crews over great distances, Interstellar or better, having hyper-light speeds or warp speeds and large cargo carrying abilities.


Click on thumbnails to enlarge


01 .USS Enterprise

Original and Refit

Star Trek

TOS USS Enterprise as originally designed and screened in the 1960s, The Enterprise was designed by Walter “Matt” Jefferies for Star Trek, and become an Icon from the moment it appeared changing how science fiction was perceived and is still as popular as ever.

The new USS Enterprise Refit for its transition to the big screen,in 1979 giving a new glorious look by Mike Minor, Joe Jennings, Douglas Trumbull, Harold Michaelson, Richard Taylor and  Andrew Probert. One of my favourite Star Trek films to this day.

Both these ship share my 1st place in my list due to design legacy.


02. Battlestar Galactica

Battlestar Galactica

Colonial Battlestar Galactica designed by Ralph McQuarrie and built by John Dykstra and his team at Apogee Inc.

Over 1 nautical mile long or 1852 meters  and for those who like it in feet (6076.1 ft) (its a scale supported by John Dykstra) and I found via my own work in cgi anything smaller does not work, as the launch tubes are to small for the Vipers to fit!. Containing at least 150 Vipers in my estimation when at peak fighting condition and a large number of  colonial shuttle-craft  which are between 85 ft and 110 ft long, and a unknown number of ground support units called Landrams.

As a battleship it is the equal of Star Wars Imperial Star-destroyers in my view, but perhaps having no where near the same crew compliment as the ISDs or the range, but in a toe to toe battle more or less equal. Ion Cannons and Tie Bombers could give the IMPs the advantage if the Viper screen fell.

but it does have more of a predator look than the ISD, always a fan favourite

2nd place on my list down to the design.


03. Imperial Star Destroyer

Star Wars

The Imperial Star-destroyer, One of the most imposing designs to appear on screen, designed by Ralph McQuarrie and Joe Johnston among other ships for Star Wars. just under 1 terrestrial mile long 1,600 meters (5,200 ft) and has an impressive crew compliment Imperial-class Star Destroyers had over 37,000 crew on board— 9,253 officers and 27,850 enlisted personnel. The complement of 9,700 Storm-troopers added to a total of 46,803 crew and passengers.

While shorter in length than the Colonial Battlestar’s, The ISD is wider and taller and its over all design giving it more internal volume,

I think it should also be around 1 Nautical mile long like the Galactica, I know fans will disagree with my ideas here, but that’s all they are and I like both BSG and Star Wars with equal measure.

The ISD makes it to 3rd place in my list.


04: DSV Liberator

Blakes7

05 LIBERATORThe DSV Liberator was an abandoned spacecraft found drifting in the second episode of Blakes7 TV series, The Liberator (originally called simply DSV 2) was created by the “System” an alien race that look very like young women in very tight outfits, so no complaint there. The design I estimate to be around 780 meters or 2559.06 feet long

The Liberator was not designed by a model or special effects unit but by the set designer Roger Murray-Leach, due to poor funding the effects where never stellar but the design is interesting and in my mind worthy of inclusion in my top 10 / 12 but never fully explored or as I think the show if redone should, its one of the few shows that should be remade and by the BBC.

 4th place in my list


05: USS Cygnus

The Black Hole

06 USS CYGNUSThe Star of Disney’s The Black Hole has to be the USS Cygnus designed by Peter Ellenshaw

This is a stunning design and beautifully presented design from the film and I look forward to its appearance each time I watch it. I have no idea what its scale is.

5TH on my list


06: Odyssey

Ulysses 31

07 ODYSSEYUlysses 31 cartoon from the 1980s has a massive space craft Odyssey, controlled by a ship’s computer “Shyrka” and commanded by Ulysses. Ulysses is accompanied by his son “Telemachus” and his robot toy “Nono”, they are joined later by Yumi a blue-skinned girl and her brother Numinor. All the other crew and later Numinor are kept in suspended animation for much of the adventures, a curse by the Greek god Zeus and the crew only appearing from time to time under the control or others, a very good soundtrack by Denny Crockett and Ike Egan

Scale length 1224 m, width: 3125 m, height: 2005 m

6th on my list


07: Klingon D7 and Film upgrade

Star Trek

08 KLINGON D7Designed by the renowned Walter “Matt” Jefferies for Star Trek and is a fantastic design, more visually interesting than the season one Romulan Bird of Prey, The Klingon D7 was an instant hit and in my mind was not seen enough in Star Trek. . another Icon.

08 D7 KTINGAA remake of the classic, the D7, making it a K’t’inga class.  and like the D7 not seen enough.

7th on my list


08: Roger Young

Starship Troopers

09 ROGER YOUNGROGER YOUNG Impressive battle design in my view, At this time I have very little information about the design and who worked on the models and props..  I will fix this once I do have the info.

8th on my list


09: IAS Excalibur

Crusade

09 IAS Excalibur
IAS Excalibur, The Excalibur is a big ship, a mile and a quarter long 2012 meters or 6,600 ft, powerful but with some limitations, when it fires itsbig guns they ship is powered down, power depleted unable to manoeuvre or fire back relaying on its resistant hull design to keep them safe.

I think it was based on the Liberator from Blake’s 7 and its a very elegant design and its a pity the series never reached its potential,

9th on my list


10: Cylon BaseStar

Battlestar Galactica

BasestarCylon Basestar, is the main adversary for the Colonial Battlestars, in the Battlestar Galactica universe,

“Col Tigh: [Pointing at the model of a Cylon basestar] She has 300 fighters, carries two long-range megapulsars, here and here, and over a hundred defensive laser turrets. She’s an orbiting killer, capable of destroying every ship we have, including the Galactica”.

from the episode “The Hand of God”  I cannot see Colonial Battlestar commanders going against Basestars with anything less than 150 vipers to fight those odds (2 to 1)

10th on my list


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Note: I have removed the Event Horizon in favour of the Excalibur for the
9th position.