Blake’s 7: London Prison Ship

Its only a model


As with most of my CGI-model work, I like to figure-out the best scale for the fictional design, especially if its never been fully stated, and I have never found a scale in most Science fiction series that work under close examination or even consistent, when using CGI which makes the process much easier to visualise I can try to establish a working scale.

The Liberator has always been something of a mystery when it comes to scale, its a question most fans ask and like I did for the Battlestar Galactica a few years ago, I have turned my attention on Blake’s 7.

My approach is to work out a possible scale starting it the Civil Administration ship London was the prison ship that was transporting Roj Blake and the others to Cygnus Alpha, a prison Planet where such people would be dropped via space craft and left to fend for themselves, no guards and no hope of getting off world, once drop there, prisoners would wait in a holding cell and only after the London blasts off into space would the gates be opened and releasing into a very doubtful future, its not helped by the fact that prisoners descendent that have lived there have formed a community rules by a megalomaniac, played by Brian Blessed of Flash Gordon “Alive” fame.

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Credit Andy Lazell

The only really guide I can use on the model is the side docking ring, which I have posted in the past. but then there is no harm posting again.

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Image credit: Andrew Glazebrook

On to the London


While this was useful and the docking hatch is very useful as a guide, I still needed to play with the scale to fit other aspects from the London sets, so at best compromises where needed, these are my results, (I am not going to say final, it never ever works out that way). For those of you who have never watched the show, this means absolutely nothing, but to help visualise what I am trying to do is fit the live action and sets with the miniature, which is at best difficult and next to impossible.

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Screen captures from the point where Blake and some of his soon to be crew get ready to blast of on the London

This is a character called “Nova” , its sounds scifi so it must be good. anyway he volunteers to follow a key character called Avon to the Computer room so they can take over the ship, and meets a sticky end, basing on the direction he takes I have placed the computer room at the rear of the ship.

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01. Nova has entered the access tunnel and drops down and heads aft

02.
Nova has reached the intersection

03.
Nova is looking “up” into the new tunnel

04. Impacts on the hull surprises Nova

05.
Air pressure changes

06. Nova tries vainly to block the holes with his hands

07.
Foam nozzles activates

08. Fear as he knows well that the foam will trap him and solidify entombing him.

09.
Nova looks to go up the intersection tunnel to escape

10.
The Intersection hatch closes

11.
Nova looks for other route of escape

12.
No escape

13. Foam erupts from nozzles

14.
Doomed

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These plan views of the London are my attempt to show how things could be arranged and how I am now using a over all length of 49 meters or 160ft for the London which will also effect the over all length of the Liberator

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Blake’s 7 Liberator Scale Question

Its all a matter of Scale


Recently I have returned to an old design favourite, the Liberator DSV or Deep Space Vessel design from the classic BBC TV series Blake’s 7 from 1978. There is, like most TV shows that features space-ships designs, there is a question of scale.

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The question was asked on a Facebook group for Blakes’7, so I decided to see if I could work it out for the fun of it, and see what the results could be, again this is all conjecture and its open to debate if its right or not.
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The early guess work and fan imaginations was that the Liberator would be between 300 meters or 1000 meters long,  I liked it at the lower end more around 300 meters.

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Model by Gerard Duffy
Too help me in this I am also using my own Lightwave3D model of the USS ENTERPRISE NCC – 1701 which I built to scale, the  USS Enterprise is around 288 meters or 947 ft long  (personally I think it should be larger by another 40 meters or so but I will stay on track with this)..
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This model of the London is by Cyberia23
Also I am using the Civil Administration ship London seen in the first 3 episodes as a reference, it has the one feature too help us, as you see it has an extendible tube to transfer crew from one ship to another, and crewmen along side, if we say the crewmen are 6ft, its a start. I used a poser character and scale it to 6ft or 1.8288 meters.
 
Models by Gerard Duffy
Models by Gerard Duffy

So I set the scale of the Liberator too 300 meters first and was happy with the result, (ignore the windows scale on the Liberator, they were added by me in an attempt to update the look of the design) but as someone pointed out, the Prison-Ship London should be taken into account.

How big is the London, well after a time a friend had converted Cyberia23 Model of the Civil Administration ship London by Cyberia23 to Lightwave3d and seeing what I was doing, sent me the file too help, saving me the trouble of converting it myself.

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Model of the Civil Administration ship London by BBC
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Model of the Civil Administration ship London by Cyberia23
Using the 6ft crewman and a little working out I arrived to the scale of 55 meters long and possibly 4 levels tall, some people did not like the result, but its what I got.
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After a little time I found the scale that worked was 780 meters long or 2559.06 ft, which I think is maximum for the Liberator it could be shorter… perhaps 700 meters but I cannot see it reduces more.
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This is the results I got, it is much larger than I expected. but its is conjecture and could be off by quite a lot.

Currently I am rebuilding the Liberator, a welcome break after the Nautilus, London Mesh build credit to Cyberia23

Starship Dimensions: Battlestar Galactica (TOS) Part 1

Battlestar Galactica


Space Ship Dimensions

or

“what size is your ship ?”

 This is a question many have wondered about for years, especially when Galactica was first shown (same for Star Wars and the older Star Trek series) fans did not apparently spend too much time working out the smaller finer details. OK perhaps a few did when you see the amount of fan made blueprints or drawing from the period.

In 1978 a Battlestar Galactica Annual published by Grandreams in Holland and I rushed out to get one and poured over it in delight, reading some new stories and looking at some great art, when my eye spied a double page showing the vessels with some general stupefaction to consider.

Here it is, now read down to the length which is at 0.264 miles or 2000 ft.

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That even then gave me pause for thought, 2000 ft. even at a tender age I could tell this did not add up (believe me or not), but I shrugged it off and continued to enjoy the book, I would read it every few years (I still have it somewhere). but as I got a little older that original thought came back to me that old thought, “it looks bigger than 2000 ft ?”. by then I knew the size of Star Treks USS Enterprise, which was 947 ft long, which I think also needs some revision of thought.

The difference in the apparent scale was too much, the Galactica appeared larger than the elegant USS Enterprise or its first big screen outing the Enterprise Refit, That is 1000 ft long .

Now the scale of the Vipers launched from the launch tubes are between 29 ft and 30 ft depending on what source you’re looking at, in another page we get to see the other estimated scale of both the Viper and the deadly and cool looking Cylon Raiders.

The full-scale mock-up of the Viper was 28.5 feet long, however this mock-up is proportionally shorter than the filming miniature. Currently don’t have any information about the difference but in the visual effects shots, the Viper should normally be considered longer. For these measurements I will be using the 28.5 foot length however.

The source of this information is on the ravensbranch website http://ravensbranch.allen.com/galacticasize.html

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So using the super model of both the Galactica by Folkrm and the Refit Enterprise at a 1000 ft by Dennis Bailey and I scaled a striped down Galactica to save on render times from 2000 ft up to another scale of 4150 ft (I forget the source) then to the Glen A Larson and John Dykstra supported scale of 6080 ft or 1 nautical mile.

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Even from here you can see that 2000 ft is not possible at all even without showing other images with the 4150 ft scale (because I cannot find them) and I think they are needless as the scale I do favour is the 6080 ft PLUS scale, the launch tubes would be smaller than the EVA hatches of the Enterprise.

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If you look at this image, you can see a 30 ft Viper just fitting the rim of the launch tube exit.
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Here you see the 110 ft shuttle launching from the bay and to my mind is as close to the scale they depicted in a numbers of scenes from the TV series.

In closing I think even the Galactica could be a little larger, if the scale of the launch tubes are a guide to go by, but not by much. The 2 mile scale, I think is by far too big!  but that is only my view on it, I know a few fellow colonial fleet members favour that scale. What are your thoughts, comments are welcome and feel free to disagree, but no insults or spamming or flaming comments will be allowed, respect the views of other posters

I will have a few more images showing the scale of the Galactica with the Enterprise A – D and the imposing Imperial Star Destroyers.

Starship Dimensions: Battlestar Galactica (TOS) Part 2

Battlestar Galactica


Space Ship Dimensions

or

“what size is your ship ?”

continued 2

I thought I mistakenly deleted these images sometime ago while not paying much attention to what I was doing, you can imagine my delight when I found them on a back up disk, It was to show the scale of a Battlestar along side a Cylon base-ship. I forget the scale I gave the base-ship

1Here is the Galactica and a Base-ship with the Enterprise in the frame to help establish scale. Galactica by Folkrm, Enterprise By Dennis Bailey, Cylon BaseShip by Raffs

2Head on view

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Side approach